{"id":2562,"date":"2002-06-22T17:46:43","date_gmt":"2002-06-22T17:46:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/staging.armedliberal.com\/?p=107"},"modified":"2002-06-22T17:46:43","modified_gmt":"2002-06-22T17:46:43","slug":"more-middle-east-smartness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/?p=2562","title":{"rendered":"MORE MIDDLE EAST SMARTNESS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Alex Frantz, my fellow <a HREF=\"http:\/\/www.ucsc.edu\/public\/Default.asp\" target+\"browser\">Slug<\/a> over at <a href=http:\/\/www.nuisance.blogspot.com\/ \u0093 target=browser\u0094>\u0091Public Nuisance\u0092<\/a>, has an even better <a href=http:\/\/www.nuisance.blogspot.com\/2002_06_16_nuisance_archive.html#78056097 target=\u0094browser>response<\/a> to <a href=http:\/\/maxspeak.org\/gm\/archives\/00000141.html target=\u0094browser\u0094>Sawicky<\/a> (although he was responding to <a href=http:\/\/demosthenes.blogspot.com\/2002_06_16_demosthenes_archive.html#78045672 target=\u0094browser\u0094>Demosthenes<\/a>)than mine. Go check it out, but here\u0092s the payoff:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Since the Palestinians still massively support terror bombings, I can only conclude that the payoff the bombings produce is, in their minds, worth the cost. And that payoff isn&#8217;t improved chances of statehood, or reduced oppression. In both areas, the payoff of terrorism has been negative.<br \/>\nThe only payoff the bombings get is dead Jews. And for the Palestinians, dayenu. That is enough.<br \/>\nDemosthenes&#8217; own example shows it:`Ahmed is twelve: &#8220;calm, together and determined to kill Israelis.&#8221;` Not &#8216;determined to gain independence.&#8217; Not &#8216;determined to get an education and help build his country.&#8217; Just determined to kill.<br \/>\nIn game theory terms, the Palestinians aim only at the strategy which has the worst payoff for their opponents. That the payoff is even worse for themselves they have deemed irrelevant.<br \/>\nAnd that is why I and many others are reconsidering our past support for Palestinian statehood. It&#8217;s why Glenn feels they are becoming a psychotic death cult and I pretty much agree. It&#8217;s why bloggers are saying that the terrorism has to stop and aren&#8217;t interested in talking grievances until it does. Not because they made a bad choice &#8211; anybody can do that. Not even because their bad choice was also immoral. It&#8217;s because their bad choice has led them into catastrophe and they don&#8217;t appear to regret it. They have made the decision that the ruin of their current and future prospects as a people is a small price to pay for the joy of murdering Jews. It isn&#8217;t violence for the sake of their homeland but violence for the sake of violence.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Go slugs! Slime \u0091em!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Alex Frantz, my fellow Slug over at \u0091Public Nuisance\u0092, has an even better response to Sawicky (although he was responding to Demosthenes)than mine. Go check it out, but here\u0092s the payoff: Since the Palestinians still massively support terror bombings, I can only conclude that the payoff the bombings produce is, in their minds, worth the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2562"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2562"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2562\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2562"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2562"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2562"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}