{"id":3010,"date":"2002-11-08T13:08:14","date_gmt":"2002-11-08T13:08:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/staging.armedliberal.com\/?p=409"},"modified":"2002-11-08T13:08:14","modified_gmt":"2002-11-08T13:08:14","slug":"kulturkampf","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/?p=3010","title":{"rendered":"KULTURKAMPF"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ann replied:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i><br \/>\nAnd I don&#8217;t know about LA County, but out here in the Big Orange the folks with the fake Calvin&#8217;s defiling something, isn&#8217;t limited to &#8220;The redneck truck-driving, Kid Rock-listening, reality-TV-watching guy.&#8221;<br \/>\nAnd that Ashcroft guy who&#8217;s all bashful about the partially nude statutes? Yeah, I&#8217;m sure his party is rather attractive to &#8220;The redneck truck-driving, Kid Rock-listening, reality-TV-watching guy.&#8221;<br \/>\nAnd, I could be wrong here, but the Labor folks, they pretty much uniformly vote Democratic and I think quite a few of them are &#8220;The redneck truck-driving, Kid Rock-listening, reality-TV-watching guy [or gal],&#8221; and we&#8217;ve reached them rather well. (Although we had to suffer a big spanking awhile back to get the picture.)<br \/>\nAnd don&#8217;t talk to me about military or veterans. No one in my party called multiple amputee Sen. Max Cleland unpatriotic.<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ann, let\u0092s take a look at the numbers.<br \/>\nThe Times had a great graphic yesterday (not available on the web, dammit) showing the counties in CA and how they broke out for Davis\/Simon.<br \/>\nIn Southern CA, it was LA and Imperial for Davis. That was it.<br \/>\n<u>All<\/u> the commuter ring counties, all the places where the blue and pink collar workers who are getting screwed by GOP tax and labor policies?? They went for Simon.<br \/>\nAsk yourself why.<br \/>\nNixon\u0092s political masterstroke was to have split the rank-and-file union members off from the union leadership, using race and culture as a lever. A lot has been done to try and bridge that split, but it\u0092s still wide and deep.<br \/>\nNow on the face of it, it doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense for the union folks to go GOP. They are facing huge structural economic problems, and it may not look that way from where you and I live\u0085but I\u0092ll tell you that the crisis of the middle manager forced to \u0091downsize\u0092 his lifestyle isn\u0092t anything compared to the crisis of the help-desk worker whose job is going to Ireland or the machinist who can\u0092t afford to send his kid to U.C.<br \/>\nSo while the culture clash is there\u0085think ice sculptures and SkyBoxes\u0085there are real issues there too.<br \/>\nAnd I\u0092m staying the hell out of the Burton\/Acidman fight. But you can\u0092t paper over the \u0091clash of cultures\u0092 we have within our country with that one.<br \/>\nYou saw this email, right?:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><I>From: Peter Kirstein<br \/>\nSent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:46 PM<br \/>\nTo: Kurpiel Robert C4C CS26<br \/>\nSubject: Re: Academy Assembly<br \/>\nYou are a disgrace to this country and I am furious you would even think I would support you and your aggressive baby killing tactics of collateral damage. Help you recruit. Who, top guns to reign death and destruction upon nonwhite peoples throughout the world? Are you serious sir? Resign your commission and serve your country with honour.<br \/>\nNo war, no air force cowards who bomb countries with AAA, without possibility of retaliation. You are worse than the snipers. You are imperialists who are turning the whole damn world against us. September 11 can be blamed in part for what you and your cohorts have done to Palestinians, the VC, the Serbs, a retreating army at Basra.<br \/>\nYou are unworthy of my support.<br \/>\nPeter N. Kirstein<br \/>\nProfessor of History<br \/>\nSaint Xavier University.<\/I><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ann, if you don\u0092t think there is a cultural chasm in this country, (and this email shows is loud and clear) and that the core constituencies of the Democratic party aren\u0092t sitting on one side of it, you\u0092re just not looking.<br \/>\nAnd while I think the Dems core issues &#8230; for justice, for the little guy, for the powerless \u0085 should be objectively in the interests of and dammit, they ought to buy us some respect in RedNeck Town, the cultural baggage we\u0092re carrying\u0085and what was expressed by Jef Malett and echoed by you \u0085 shuts us Right Out.<br \/>\nAnd as part of creating the New Model Democrats that I want to join up with, and that I think can win, we are going to have to find a way across that cultural chasm.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ann replied: And I don&#8217;t know about LA County, but out here in the Big Orange the folks with the fake Calvin&#8217;s defiling something, isn&#8217;t limited to &#8220;The redneck truck-driving, Kid Rock-listening, reality-TV-watching guy.&#8221; And that Ashcroft guy who&#8217;s all bashful about the partially nude statutes? Yeah, I&#8217;m sure his party is rather attractive to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3010"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3010"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3010\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3010"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3010"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/marcdanziger.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3010"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}