I haven’t read anything that just took the vacuity and indolence of the American chattering class, put it into words, and nailed it to the church door quite as well as this thumbsucking ‘conversation’ between Gail Collins and David Brooks in the New York Times.
Please, God. put them behind a paywall so I can ignore them, like the rest of America.
Here’s the premise, an interesting one, actually: There are three ‘wedge issues’ in modern politics – values-driven issues that fracture interest-based coalitions, and are a large part of why blue-collar labor abandoned its political sponsors in the Democratic Party. They are:
Guns, Gays, and Abortion (add Affirmative Action to the list and you’ve pretty much got all the wedge issues covered).
Here are our two pocket intellectuals setting the stage:
Gail Collins: David, can we talk hot-button social issues for a second? I know this is not really an area where you fly the conservative colors, but you’re the go-to guy on how America lives, and I’d like to hear your thoughts even if we can’t work up a fight.
If you think of abortion, gay rights and gun control as the Big Three, it seems to me the nation is moving in very different directions…
David Brooks: Gail, I confess I do shy away from these issues, not because I don’t have views but because I find the tenor of the debates so unpleasant. For example, I have the impression that we’re in the middle of their weird battle of the murders. Liberal media outlets play up the murder of the abortion doctor by a pro-life extremist. Conservative outlets play up the murder of the Army recruiter by a Muslim extremist. Some people on both sides seem to feel that their view of the world has been affirmed by the atrocities of a certain set of extremists, and so seem to feel a sense of vindication from these crimes.
Brooks – who speaks for the ‘average American’ in these circles, believes that they really don’t think about these things…they just want to be nice to each other:
I think there is a consistency to how most Americans view these Big Three social issues. People are seeking the positions that will help them reserve the invisible bonds of community.
Americans increasingly see gay relationships as just another part of the fabric of connections that make up their communities. As a result Americans are becoming more accepting of civil unions and gay marriage.
People also treasure the specific subcultures they inhabit. Guns are an essential part of life for people who live in rural communities. Well, it’s not the guns per se. Rather the threat to limit gun ownership is seen as an assault by urban people on rural life and rural communities. That is the reason gun rights are defended so fiercely and why it is politically dangerous for anybody to challenge them.
Finally, on the subject of abortion, Americans are pulled by conflicting communitarian impulses. On the one hand, I think most people sense viscerally that somehow an abortion is a tear in the moral fabric – whether they are pro-life or pro-choice. On the other hand, they don’t feel communities can be formed on the basis of compulsion and they are uncomfortable imposing such complex and uncomfortable moral decisions on one another. So they seek out some mushy middle ground, while oscillating, sometimes in a more “liberal” direction and sometimes in a more “conservative” one, as now.
Yeah, we’re brainless cattle who decide important issues based on our connections to others…not.
I’ve spent a lot of time talking to people on a variety of sides of all three (all four, actually) of these issues, and the reality I’ve experienced is that people think very hard about them, hold deep beliefs about them, and while they may not be able to give broad historic or ideologically grounded arguments for their beliefs – they manage to articulate them – even in passing conversation – far better than the luminaries sucking at the NYT teat. Yes, we’re all human, and our opinions are formed in part by our ‘tribes’.
But that does not – nearly – mean that we have no ability to articulate our understandings or beliefs, to discuss them, and to move and be moved in those discussions. The hard reality is that many of us have deep-rooted beliefs that, in essence decide those issues for us. Let’s look at Gail Collins on gay marriage:
Gay rights is just a matter of time. Look at the polls. Worrying about gay marriage, let alone gay civil unions or gay employment rights, is a middle-age issue. Young people just can’t see the problem. At worst, gays are going to win this one just by waiting until the opposition dies off.
Note that to her, there’s no … issue … around gay rights. They simply ‘are’. No one, or at least no one worth talking to, could possibly make any kind of substantive argument against gay rights worth considering.
Yet almost all of us were brought up in a culture that has for a millennium ostracized homosexuality; and it would be good if she would recognize that breaking those cultural bonds is hard – and made harder when the images of what it means to be gay come from Castro Street or Santa Monica Boulevard and not the PTA or house next door. So there’s a measure of cognitive dissonance because when the average American family thought about gays, it thought about Sodom, San Francisco bath-houses (not that most people were clear about exactly what was going on in those places…), pedophiles, and that spinster piano teacher and her ‘cousin’ who lived down the street, and then it became about Will and Grace and then about that handsome and brave young Olympic diver and then about Doogie Hauser MD – and suddenly the cultural messages about what it meant to be gay or be in contact with gays were all confused and suddenly not nearly as clearly negative as it used to be.
In part, I’ll argue that was helped along by a substantial change in gay culture itself; it became mainstream and relatively nontransgressive.
She feels the same way about guns (i.e. there is no real substantive issue, only a political one):
Gun control currently feels like a lost cause. If a big Democratic majority doesn’t have the will to stop an amendment to the credit card bill permitting people to carry concealed loaded weapons in national parks, I don’t have much hope.
The idea that there are people … me, for example … who might be able to make a moral and practical argument for why allowing concealed carry in national parks located where concealed carry is itself legal never occurs to her.
It never occurs to Brooks either:
People also treasure the specific subcultures they inhabit. Guns are an essential part of life for people who live in rural communities. Well, it’s not the guns per se. Rather the threat to limit gun ownership is seen as an assault by urban people on rural life and rural communities. That is the reason gun rights are defended so fiercely and why it is politically dangerous for anybody to challenge them.
No, no, a thousand times no. I don’t live in the country, my neighbors who shoot don’t live in the country, we’re not a part of some weird secret subculture that only allows membership to those with guns. That’s patently absurd.
People who own guns and who think that owning and possessing guns is OK often think that it’s a positive good, and can … shockingly … make arguments to that effect. The concern about gun regulation has only a little to do with concern that the ‘city folk’ will dominate; people who fear widespread gun ownership don’t believe people can or should be responsible for their own safety, and people who fear banning guns don’t believe in anything else.
And here we begin to see why these are fracture lines; not because of some sociological or anthropological explanation, not because of the politics of the issue (although such explanations are available to us), but because people’s beliefs are vastly different.
And no where is this more true than abortion, where short of the most dedicated pro-life activists, people I know are perfectly capable of having an ‘on one hand and on the other but this is trumped by’ discussion about the value and costs of abortion, but where each side – even the uncomfortable committed on each side (like me) have a deep belief about what is right that closes the argument.
Brooks goes on:
I’m not sure I’m expressing myself very clearly, but what I’m trying to say is that people seek to preserve the orderly bonds around them. Most people, even on these hot button issues, gravitate toward positions that seem to best preserve unspoken communal understandings. As a result, I don’t expect sharp change on any of these subjects. There is a gradual acceptance of gay and lesbian rights, but I think progress will take longer than people anticipate. On gun control and abortion, I don’t see much change of any sort.
There are fewer and fewer culture warriors in America. Most people want order and peace.
Yes, but each group wants the peace that comes from its values being uncontroversially widespread, and on these issues, we’re not likely to get that for quite some time.
I’d suggest that these are fracture line issues because they are not ‘instrumental issues’ where I can horsetrade a little loss here for a little gain elsewhere. They are issues which touch on the deepest values we hold as members of the society – what is an appropriate relationship; who will defend me and as a consequence have power over me; what does it mean to be human and have rights.
I’ll suggest that the better, more American solution is one that acknowledges that we are a people who live together who share many, but not all, values, and that those values change over time. That allows for a free competition of ideas and ideals, and that limits what we can and will do to coerce each other.
But most of all, one that acknowledges just exactly what these deep thinkers deny – that the people whohold opposing views to us do so genuinely, and are entitled to respect for those views with which we deeply disagree.
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Marc, mostly I think I agree with you about the overgeneralization of Brooks’ remarks, in particular. After all, I have a longstanding problem with an idea, that I think is rapidly vanishing under Obama, that there was something more “authentic” about certain American beliefs that predominate in (as a shorthand) the red states. Whatever one thinks about gun control, it’s only partially about the rural/urban split.
Having said that, I think that they are pretty close to the truth on gay marriage.
I think I wrote up this anecdote once before in this blog, but I’ll tell it again. Twenty-five years ago I was playing bridge with a partner who was then in her 70s. Neither she nor her husband had gone to college; he’d enlisted straight out of high school and then started working in insurance claims after the army.
We were playing against a pair one of whom was a middle-aged flaming queen, and he thanked my partner (and her husband) for attending the 25th anniversary party he had just thrown. After he left (he wasn’t a very good bridge player, FWIW), my partner said they had gone to the party for ‘Jim’ and ‘John’. She carefully didn’t use the word anniversary, but it was clear she understood why the party had taken place. I think she described them as ‘together’. She dropped her voice and added, “They’re gay, you know.”
I tried not to laugh (I could have figured that fact out even without my glasses) but I also realized it meant that in California, attitudes towards homosexuality had changed in demographics where that wasn’t elitism.
This isn’t unprecedented. A generation ago it was the cultural attitude towards young women who were openly heterosexually active without marriage, a state that my dad was referring to pejoratively as ‘shacking up’ into my high school years. I just tested my 15-y.o., and he didn’t even know what it means.
Interesting story, Andrew.
I think it’s clear that homosexuality will eventually disappear.
I have a harder time gauging guns. As I grew up in Seattle (about as anti-gun a place as you can have) it still seems weird to talk to W.Virginians who treat the first day of hunting season as a holiday.
Still, as the world gets smaller, more urban/suburban & electronic I have to imagine that outdoor appeal is eventually going to lose some draw with the post-millineals (or whatever name we call the current generation).
It’s interesting how views on abortion have become relatively unchanged (I would expect a change one way or the other). “Fast times at ridgemont high” is only film I can think of that dealt with abortion on any level. 20 years later “knocked up” can’t even say the word.
I think part of this is that abortion has become a “taboo” subjects wants to bring up, pro or con. I think a majority of americans would prefer the whole issue just disappeared.
Enh. I wasn’t enthralled with the article, but I wasn’t as incensed as you were.
Basically, I do think he has some germ of truth there, in thinking that there are a lot of people who really are just plain tired of the culture wars, and would like the world settle down into either consensus, or manageable, non-screechy disagreement.
I don’t think, by a long shot, that’s all that drives people, but even among my circle of friends, all but the very screechiest are just getting tired of feeling like the country is run by two rival gaggles of cliquish teenagers. I do strongly agree with you that people can and do reason quite carefully about these issues, though; I don’t see these statements as irreconcilable, or even in opposition to each other. If people are sufficiently complex in their reasoning about politics, they are sufficiently complex in their emotional responses to do that and be tired of the neverending debates.
I also think he’s really not wrong about the geographic influence on the gun control debate. No one wants to be reduced to the sum of their geographic past, and simply assuming that all rurals want guns and all urbans want them banned is foolish, but unless I missed a memo, A.L., there are geographic influences at play, here.
Where he lost me was when started invoking phrases like, “Mushy middle ground,” which I tend to take as a sloppy, careless insult toward the ideologically impure.
Yeah, oops, not very clear. Yes, in the next 15 years homosexuality will be generally accepted across most of the voting public.
Alchemist:
No problem. I was pretty sure what you meant, but even being right, it seemed like the thing you might like the opportunity to correct, lest others be confused.
No worries.
And, I happen to agree. I believe pretty strongly that within my lifetime, at least in the States, the issue will be a non-issue.
I believe, but less strongly, that the gun rights issue will remain settled as it is now, too. If it stays settled this way for five years or so, and either the sky does not fall or crime statistics actually improve, I’ll be more confident.
Abortion, I just don’t know. I thought that stem cell research would break the log jam, but adult stem cell research has made sufficient progress that if progress is made in one direction or the other, stem cell research probably won’t play a part.