Max Sawicky is linked over on the left, and I read his blog regularly. He currently has been mirroring Tim Blairs critique a day of Fisk with his own of Instapundit, which Ive found pretty amusing. Up until Friday.
Fridays post triggered a response, because in part here Max and I part company pretty dramatically in our interpretation of whats going on in the Middle East, and, by implication, what should go on.
First I have to say a few things before I get to the thing I can’t say. The bombings create awful tragedies. I’m agin’ ’em. As a recent statement by Edward Said confirms, they have greatly harmed the cause of Palestinian self-determination.
But other than instrumentally, theyre OK, Max? Is that really what you want to say here? They create tragedies, but if they worked, if they got the Palestinians their state, theyd be fine?
I wish the Palestinians had launched a Gandhi movement. If they had, no doubt the IDF would have started shooting them down and blowing them up, as it has for the past 65 years. In any case, under this scenario I believe that by now there would be an authentic Palestinian state on the West Bank and in Gaza. Imagine if half the Palestinian lives sacrificed thus far had been martyred in the context of non-violent resistance. (But have you ever wondered why nobody ever says, “I wish Israel would embark upon the path of non-violent resistance?” Never mind.)
The Israelis might have started by shooting, but British, who were easily more bloody-minded as the Israelis, lasted maybe what
ten years?
in the face of Gandhis movement? The Israelis, with their progressive politics, dependent on the goodwill and funds of Europe and the US, would have folded like wet matzoh if confronted with a coordinated, genuinely nonviolent nationalist Palestinian movement.
And the Israelis have tried nonviolent means in the past. An Israeli PM was assassinated for moving the country toward peace, while political figures in Palestine are assassinated for proposing peace.
Now the part I can’t say. The point of all this, getting back to IP, is that the Times article gives no hint of the bombers being either psychotic or a ‘cult.’ To the contrary, the dilemma reported is that the bombers seem to fit no profile that would facilitate their neutralization. Apparently, anyone could be a bomber, and this is said, understandably, to have the Israeli government perturbed.
Actually, Max, its funny. I grew up in California in the late 60s and 70s, and saw the heyday of the cults here. My second wife was aggressively recruited by a cult, and I had friends who fell into cults from EST to Lifespring and others. So my antennae are fairly cult-sensitive, and as I read the article about the failed murder bombers, my immediate thought was Wow! Theyre being processed like new cult members! Quick decision, isolation, and boom! From the Times article:
A chain of events was dragging her down with a speed that left her frozen, unthinking.
It was only five days before that she had offered her services and maybe her life to a member of a violent Palestinian group in Bethlehem. It was only the day before, she recalled, that her offer had been suddenly, even greedily, accepted.
It was only on this day, Wednesday, May 22, that she had been pulled away from a marketing lecture at Bethlehem University, shown the backpack and how to trigger the bomb inside, put in a beat-up car with another would-be killer, and sent on, dressed to pass as an Israeli woman.
From an article in Haaretz, about a meeting between the Israeli Defense Minister and the failed murder-bombers:
Ben-Eliezer: You have parents, brothers, sisters, family, friends. Did you think about them?
Stiti: Yes.
Ben-Eliezer: Did they know?
Stiti: Yes. My parents begged me not to do it. My father told me that I’d be very sorry if I dared to go ahead, but it didn’t convince me. What they told me at the mosque was more powerful. They told me to just think about the commandment and the reward, up above, in Paradise, with the virgins that would be waiting for me and all the honor I would receive.
Date: 06/24/2002 00:00:00 AM
AL–How have the Israelis moved towardreconciliation since Rabin’s assassination? The rejectionist right hasn’t got any less rejectionist. And anyone who talks about a Palestinian state while building settlements is not helping reconciliation (Barak, I’m looking at you).
Date: 06/23/2002 00:00:00 AM
Demosthenes-Yup, exactly, Rabin was assinated by the Rejectionist Right. My point exactly as well…that the powers that be in Israel managed to move toward reconciliation, while the powers that be in the PA threaten and kill those who would move the PA toward peace.Read the ponts in your blog as linked by Franz, and you make some good points…I think you’re wrong, but they are points that need addressing from my side. I’ll get to it this week as time permits.A.L.
Date: 06/23/2002 00:00:00 AM
“…In this case the oppressed are the dispossessed, as I think you would agree. …”But the dispossessed have repeatedly prolonged their own dispossession through stupidity and unethical behavior.The Pals appear to me like a woman who keeps going back to her abusive husband (Arafat and the Arab world) no matter how bad he treats her. Sure she’s oppressed, but labelling her that way doesn’t solve the problem. She still has to make some choices. Back in the day when it was much harder for women to leave domestic violence, it would have required much more bravery for her to leave, but many women did leave in those days.The Pals have had for the past 30 years the international equivalent of domestic crisis shelters well-stocked with sympathetic staff, not to mention financial support. They are less oppressed than many other peoples on the planet (Pals are among the most worldly and well-educated of all Arabs, which is one reason their Arab brethren hate them so much), such as Africans, for example. They get tons of media attention which rightfully belongs to Africans (if there were any justice in the world – and don’t think many Africans weren’t pissed at how the Pals stole the show at Durban) and there is simply no excuse anymore for their grossly self-destructive behavior.
Date: 06/23/2002 00:00:00 AM
One question…Wasn’t Rabin assassinated by a militant Israeli?
Date: 06/22/2002 00:00:00 AM
Stiti: ?… they explained to me that life here is just a pathway to life in the next world. The loss of life here is not such a big thing. Here it’s just preparation. The next world is the true life, for the holy ones who are worthy of reaching there.?I think Stiti makes a good case for giving the death-cult Palestinians a state in the next world, not this one, with Arafat sent ahead to prepare the way. That might enable the majority of Palestinians in the middle, fearful of extremists on both sides, a chance to try a new tack.
Date: 06/22/2002 00:00:00 AM
The comments above demonstrate that he doesn’t get it, AL, but you’ve well-‘Fisked’ him.